Grocery store marketing directors don’t have a clue

Grocery stores throughout history have never been known for their marketing genus. That’s how Wallmart was able to become the industry behemoth giant that it is today. In some markets they’ve got the grocery stores shaking in their boots.

Today while standing in line at the local Albertsons. I realize that companies like Albertson’s treat their best and highest profit customers with distain. Their marketing director knows nothing about modern marketing techniques and doesn’t really care about any sort of customer service. The modern grocery store’s tracking systems is broken and they their computer systems don’t know how to order niche items to increase their profitability.

They director of marketing’s should be fired immediately fired. Their best idea in the last few years is to force you to use a tracking card and offer a 5% to 15% discount at the grocery store. Every one of these grocer stores uses a tracking number to figure out what you are buying, but not one of them are using it very effectively.

Grocery stores treat their best customers in the absolute worst way. They make me wait and stand in line when I’m going to buy several hundred dollars of groceries. Most of these items are organic, and niche items that fetch the store a much higher margin on average than say the big conglomerated brands. These niche items yield higher profits. You see, our family is vegetarian. My wife buys organic vegetables and tries to make most meals from scratch. Therefore most items are higher prices and give the grocery stores much higher profit. They should be treating me better, as I’m offering the corporation a higher profit margin every day.

It always amazes me that the grocery store reward the customer who buys 3-4 items, but they punish the customer that’s spending $300 for their weekly groceries. You see, they don’t make it easy for someone who’s buy many items, but make it very easy to buy less than ten items. With profits in the industry becoming harder to come by, it would make more sense for the stores to cater to the more profitable customer.

While they are torturing me in line by making me wait a longer amount of time to buy my items, they make sure that I try hard not to bring my children. Owning my own business, I know that you can usually garner a few extra dollars per sale by offering items at the point of purchase. However, grocery stores offer candy, sundries and entertainment magazines at the checkout stand. The grocery store let’s me be torture by constantly telling my children NO when they ask me for candies or other stupid items that the grocery store sells. They would be better off to offer different items on each line, as I would probably pick lines that cater to my preferences.

One of the other peculiar problems with the company is how they do their ordering. We enjoy niche products such as Morning Star’s Recipe Crumbles. These are a niche vegetarian product that is hard to find in most grocery stores. Vegetarians and people whom have high cholesterol are the typical customers whom buy this product. However, 8 out of 10 times when I venture to the grocery store, I have to run to a second or third store that may or may not carry the item.
As grocery stores want to remain profitable and retain the loyalty of their customers, they need to totally re-think their marketing efforts. Online Grocers are starting to look better and better, as I will be able to purchase items that I prefer without having to resort to being hassled to buy items I don’t want, being treated badly if I make a large purchase, and finally having to run to two or three stores to get the items I prefer.

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PayGo Irony

In my previous post about the Christian James’ Macintosh OS X software PayGo SP life kind of has an ironic twist. I was complaining about the poor customer service of the company and hoping that I warn a few people to run away from the company as they have refused to address my issues. When I jumped on to the blog page, I found that Christian James is advertsing on my site using Google AdSense.

It’s great for me that they are adverting on my site. I’m sure that users were clicking on the ads as they visited the page. Thanks Chris!

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How Not to sell a Point of Sale System to your customers.

How Not to sell a Point of Sale System to your customers.

I have a marginally successful retail store that has been in business for the last 7 years. During the last 6 months I have been dealing with a company call Christian James, Inc. The have created a Mac OS X and PC Based FileMaker Pro based Point of Sale system call Paygo SP. If you’re considering this company, run away screaming. I am chronicling my hellacious relationship with them over the last 6 months.

Over the last year, I consciously worked on moving our companies hardware over to the Apple Macintosh Platform. I bought the PayGo SP system from them in January of this 2008. Anxious to set Paygo SP, We used the 30 day demo and switched over during the first few days of 2008. The company sold us a hardware bundle with the software and told us that it would be about 3 weeks before we would receive it.

Jason,

Shipping generally takes 2-4 weeks.  We get everything in from different vendors so it depends on how fast they can get things out to us.  Apple is usually the slowest.   We do our beset to be as efficient as possible.

Best,

Ana

I found this strange. I can get any hardware and software off the internet is about 5 days maximum shipping time From anyone in the world.

I emailed their “Customer Support” asking for the CEO’s email so that I could send a complaint. I get the following CYA response from Ana Benzer.

Jason,

It is not normal protocol to give out specific personnel’s email address’. If you have any customer concerns, please contact our customer care department at: customercare@christianjames.net.   Or if you have technical concerns please feel free to contact the technical support department at: support@christianjames.net.  This and other contact information is also included in your welcome email that was sent to you previously.

Best,

Ana

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Ana Benzer

Christian James, Inc.

Retail Solutions with Super Powers

2 Division St East

Suite 101

Buffalo, MN 55313

Toll Free: 866-287-5576 Ext 720

Sales: 763-684-1257 Ext 720

Support: http://www.paygopos.com/support.html

paygopos.com

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Angered by the fact that the refuse to let me do anything but go through the “Proper Channels” I send the following Response:

Ana,

That sounds like a cop out to me, but I guess I will have to live with this. This is too bad. I was going to offer some suggestions on how to get people to convert from Raidant Systems Counterpoint. We had been running with the system for 6 years and are very unhappy. Over the 6 years, I made many, many contacts of IT manager whom where looking for a POS System that they could migrate to from it. It was a hard sell for me to make the descision to move to your software. Not because the software is good or bad, but I finally was fed up with the errors of CounterPoint. I was going to offer some insight on how to convert these people. Since your CEO is so far removed, I will not waste my time.

By the way. I have 5,000+ customer a year who spend about $39 each time they visit my store. Guess what – Every time a customer ask for my contact information I give it out freely (Cell phone, email, IM address). I would expect a bit better from your company when I am planning to spend $10,000 in 2008 with you.

On to other things,

Can I get an update as to when the ETA for my equipment would arrive (I could have ordered everything that you did and had it to my store UPS Ground yesterday). I live 400 miles from one of the locations and I would like to plan on deploying it myself. As I am busy, I would like a realistic schedule.

Can I call support right now, as I am having a few issues with my inventory import – Items are not being found in the computer. Secondly, I am having a big issue with the Inventory import. I completed a store wide inventory and used the import feature to bring in the old SKU’s and amounts. However, out of 5600 items, we are having problems with 600 or so items being found. I can find them when I manually look for them, but the computer always comes up

Thanks,

Jason S Vance

Over the next two weeks I worked with various people in in their “Technical Support” trying to resolve various issues with the software. Each support person was more arrogant than the next. The most frustrating aspect of their support is the fact that they would close the issue/incident without talking with me.

After about a month of dealing with less than stellar support staff, I finally gave up. I needed to run the business and not be stuck in their support hell. A Number of issues were never resolved, but we went on with our daily routine anyway.

April 24th, 2008 I attempted to “Purchase” a second POS system from Christian James to install in my new store in Boise, ID. During this time, I complained about the first system and stated to their Sales Staff that I wanted to purchase the software only.

They promptly forwarded me to the support staff whom tried to fix the original problem with no avail. After all, they wanted to sell me hardware that is 25-30% over anyone else’s price on the internet. After a few frustrating days dealing with the new support staff, I was told that I could return the machine back to them and they would get me out a new machine.

I was relieved. I was going to get a new machine that would work with the software that I purchased. I would then be ready to purchase a new system from them. Life would be happy. This was on Friday May 2nd. I received the following email.

Jason,

We are in receipt of your voicemail regarding the return of a computer. Our primary customer service person is not in for the rest of the day. She will be in contact with you on Monday upon her return.

Thank you,

Customer Care

Jenny Rish

1-866-287-5576

Christian James Inc.

www.christianjames.net

2 Division St East

Suite 101

Buffalo, MN 55313

Monday morning I received a very impersonal email from them:

Jason,

We have been able to research the ticket history further regarding your computer problems. The only history we were able to find was in ticket #220019 stating you computer was not working correctly, due to a filemaker upgrade that was necessary.

At that time, you went forth with installing the system on your own computer. We are not in receipt of any documentation sent to our customer care department regarding these computer issues. This issue could have been resolved being you followed thru with the proper procedures. Attached is the “Wecare” and “Software” agreements and any pertinent information has been outlined in these agreements.

Please let us know if you have any questions by contacting 1-866-287-5576 ext 1 for customer care or by email at customercare@christinajames.net. We will continue to advise you with any existing or future support requests you have, and fulfill our obligations in a timely manner.

Thank you ,

Christian James Customer Care

I won’t bore you with the Software License, but in essence they told me that the were not going to do anything. I was SOL.

I’m impatient as I had to get the store open and not deal with their horrible support staff, I asked them to just give me a quote. Remember, this was almost 2 weeks later.

They sent me a quote for the new systems and it was 2000 more than the first system that I purchased. After looking at it carefully, I could see that the company charges 25% – 40% over everyone else on the internet for basically retail Point of Sale Equipment.

I complained, that I didn’t want to purchase their hardware. Their response to me was to tell me that they will not sell the software without purchasing their hardware. They want to “Stick it to you” when you buy their system. In other words, Christian James is practicing extortion against their customers.

What I’ve learned from Christian James’ Horrible Customer Service experience:

  1. Never buy critical pieces of software from a company whom doesn’t have Open forums for their customers to air issue in. They closed theirs due to customer complaints.
  2. Never buy critical software systems that force their customers to buy the hardware from the same company. They add a premium price on the hardware and pass it to their customers..
  3. Never buy Point of Sale software where they will not let you use the Multi User version in a demo.
  4. Never buy critical Business software where they tie the license to the hardware and not the number of concurrent users.

After visiting the local Mac Reseller, I was told that the two POS systems I should really look at are POS•IM and Lightspeed.

Afterword: It’s ironic that this company doesn’t want to listen to my concerns, If they would have dealt with my issues I would have been a customer for life. This means that my value to the company would be between $30,000 and $50,000 over the next 10 years. I’m blown away by the fact that the CEO, Chris Peterson doesn’t care one bit about customer serivice.  He could have resolved this issue with three simple steps.

  1. Take back the defective computer.
  2. Call me personally (I Gave me # many times)
  3. Sell their software separately.

Shame on him.

Update: After compalining in a  fe forums about their software, i.e. giving them a bad rating, I got the following email:

Jason,

Due to the forum that were posted regarding Christian James, Inc. (PayGo), we will no longer be able to provide future business to you or your company. We will continue to provide services to your company that were prior obligations, those include your support agreements. After 1/11/2009, we will no longer be providing support for your POS System.

If you have any question please feel free to contact Christian James Customer Care at 1-866-286-5576 ext 1 or customercare@christianjames.net .

Sincerely,

Christian James Customer Care

I guess I must have struck a nerve.

Still No response from the CEO.

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Steal My Pen, Please

Today I was attending a Meetup.com Meeting in the Boise area, The Boise Digital Photography Group. We met at one of the local chain coffee houses, as they have a nice facility and a great room for 25-30 people groups.

Over the last few years, I have learned that branding is as important as advertising itself. The more times that you see a company name or logo, you tend to gravitate towards that company when you have made a decision to purchase.

This company could create great branding by spending a few pennies for custom branded pens. They shouldn’t worry about customers “Stealing” their pens, as a customer will use that pen many times over the course of a year.

If you come to our store, Va Va Voom in West Wendover, NV or Soon, Boise, ID, I want you to Steal My Pens, Every time you use it, you will be thinking Va Va Voom Baby…

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